Should higher authorities/admins abuse powers?

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The reason why they want your name is because of many reasons:
  • To make sure you're a player
  • If you were ex-staff, they would want to hear your opinions on this matter.

And so on. Soulzone made this thread PUBLIC to EVERYONE, meaning EVERYONE, and ANYONE, can answer it. He's going to thoroughly read them all, and I appreciate that. He wants to genuinely improve this community, and sometimes even completely blames himself for the game's inactivity, when we all know it wasn't entirely his fault. So please, be understanding and take this form if you truly want to help and support the community.
The reason some players are weary of that form is because for the past 3 years, forms have been put up for complaints and reports, yet still nothing happened. What makes people think y’all are going to change now?
 

Minag

Mouse
Look like someone forgot what does provocation mean. Did you even try to ask google ? I didn't go to your whispers spamming the shit out of it. Nor i put a gun in your face. I would like to add that this is not the only community that has problems with ex staff members. You've seen the Ar community lately didn't you ? 11 players. Just 11 players. And that's with the problem solved for YOU but i assure you that the onlu reason there's player in your AR community is because they're either staff members or they were old players that quit before and missed all of the shitty drama that happened
 

+wrath

Retired EN Community Manager
You don't have to be anonymous to express your opinions.


I didn't like the changing forum profiles forcely too but provocating is not something good too. Everyone in staff is also human.

I especially love this comment.

I hope you all can understand that we truly accept and acknowledge that we had our flaws here too. We aren't saying PLAYERS = BAD, STAFF = GOOD. We know we made mistakes too, but we aren't robots. We aren't as robotic as some of the old. We aren't perfect, we are also humans. We understand we should have taken much more professional actions, and we plan onto improving. So please, there's absolutely no reason why anyone should be attacking or heavily critical of anyone here. I appreciate Sevenops here for also taking his time to respond to this thread, thank ya.

I'm pretty sure most of the submissions would be players rather than complete strangers. Also, as I mentioned earlier, you're more likely to get forms and be successful in receiving them when people have the ability to be anonymous. Some people are genuinely hesitant and afraid. You're also forgetting that current staff members may want to say something, as well. They're included, after all.

e; Also, some players may feel like their opinion may be ignored due to bias or whatever the hell, which is why a lot of them would prefer to be anonymous rather than exposed.
If we left it anonymous, there's a higher chance of people spamming or basically trashing the forum. They would think they wouldn't get away with it because their name isn't there either. We need to know SPECIFICALLY who is submitting these responses and why. They shouldn't be hesitant and afraid, if they truly want the best for their community then they should apply. We aren't forcing everyone to apply either, only people who have a reasonable point and want to. It's completely voluntary too, so there's no need for that concern. Also, the current staff members are encouraged to message their community manager. If they have any concerns, they can confront their staff instead, why would they need to take the thread? This is how all staff members does it.

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The reason some players are weary of that form is because for the past 3 years, forms have been put up for complaints and reports, yet still nothing happened. What makes people think y’all are going to change now?
Not everyone was a staff from 3 years ago. If it has been an issue for 3 years, then that issue is more for the old/retired staff members. It doesn't say anything about the new staff members at all either. Things are changing now because people are actually taking actions, and discussions have been made.
 

Chlomaki

Former EN Community Manager
I especially love this comment.

I hope you all can understand that we truly accept and acknowledge that we had our flaws here too. We aren't saying PLAYERS = BAD, STAFF = GOOD. We know we made mistakes too, but we aren't robots. We aren't as robotic as some of the old. We aren't perfect, we are also humans. We understand we should have taken much more professional actions, and we plan onto improving. So please, there's absolutely no reason why anyone should be attacking or heavily critical of anyone here. I appreciate Sevenops here for also taking his time to respond to this thread, thank ya.



If we left it anonymous, there's a higher chance of people spamming or basically trashing the forum. They would think they wouldn't get away with it because their name isn't there either. We need to know SPECIFICALLY who is submitting these responses and why. They shouldn't be hesitant and afraid, if they truly want the best for their community then they should apply. We aren't forcing everyone to apply either, only people who have a reasonable point and want to. It's completely voluntary too, so there's no need for that concern. Also, the current staff members are encouraged to message their community manager. If they have any concerns, they can confront their staff instead, why would they need to take the thread? This is how all staff members does it.
"honestly if they truly wanted everyone's opinion equally they would disregard usernames they would also agree to the players' demands of anonymity if they truly wanted those opinions"
this is literally what people are thinking about the form.

and regardless people will still spam, especially if they don't care about their nick being out there. i don't think people would be comfortable submitting their responses at all, especially if they know they have issues with certain staff members or admins. also, certain staff members depending on the community may have trouble communicating with the admin, y'know? it's not that easy when some of the admins view honest opinions as "threats" or "insults".

additionally, this is not relevant to the topic so i'd prefer if we kept ourselves on track, please. the form thing is just subjective. the real problem here is the power abuse that an admin did.

also, nobody is heavily attacking or criticizing anyone here, except for mina maybe but that's out of my control.
 
“Not everyone was a staff from 3 years ago. If it has been an issue for 3 years, then that issue is more for the old/retired staff members. It doesn't say anything about the new staff members at all either. Things are changing now because people are actually taking actions, and discussions have been made.”
I’m not saying the issue has been lasting for 3 years, I’m saying various problems have popped up and staff promise that they’re taking action and nothing changes.
 

Minag

Mouse
You know i can just make a fake account and still spam it. Right ?
 

Berk

CEO & Developer
Staff Member
Admin
Lua Crew
Look like someone forgot what does provocation mean. Did you even try to ask google ? I didn't go to your whispers spamming the shit out of it. Nor i put a gun in your face. I would like to add that this is not the only community that has problems with ex staff members. You've seen the Ar community lately didn't you ? 11 players. Just 11 players. And that's with the problem solved for YOU but i assure you that the onlu reason there's player in your AR community is because they're either staff members or they were old players that quit before and missed all of the shitty drama that happened
Minag, I have an advice to you. If you think we killed AR community and if you think we are not caring players enough, you can quit like the players. -you all always mentioning that people quitting-

Look at your answer to game owner. You may have a lot of friends because of his game. First, you should respect him.

Addition: As Chlo said, it's being off-topic and I am stopping my words with that post. So Mina, if you have something to say us, you can contact with admins. This thread is not a place to talk about those. And I advice you to fix your attitude.
 

+wrath

Retired EN Community Manager
"honestly if they truly wanted everyone's opinion equally they would disregard usernames they would also agree to the players' demands of anonymity if they truly wanted those opinions"
this is literally what people are thinking about the form.

and regardless people will still spam, especially if they don't care about their nick being out there. i don't think people would be comfortable submitting their responses at all, especially if they know they have issues with certain staff members or admins. also, certain staff members depending on the community may have trouble communicating with the admin, y'know? it's not that easy when some of the admins view honest opinions as "threats" or "insults".

additionally, this is not relevant to the topic so i'd prefer if we kept ourselves on track, please. the form thing is just subjective. the real problem here is the power abuse that an admin did.

also, nobody is heavily attacking or criticizing anyone here, except for mina maybe but that's out of my control.
The thing is, the just wanted the players usernames, not for bad intentions. Have you considered that Soulzone might not have not thought of that? We TRULY wanted everyone's opinions, that's why the thread was even made. The ability of adding your username was seem as a bonus, not as a thing to weigh people down on. We DO WANT opinions, don't assume just because we added a name feature means that we have negative intentions. Not everyone is thinking of the form in that way, since I had players saying it was a great or good idea, speak for yourself, don't stretch the story.

Spamming was once issue, but if that was able to be addressed then so be it. If they don't feel comfortable, they don't need to submit, is what I'm trying to say. They can contact another staff member they are comfortable with and stuff can evolve from there, you don't need to complicate things this much Chlo. Soulzone is going to be the only person who's viewing it, and perhaps other admins. They want the best for this community, no need to incorporate pessimistic views before you even tried it out. Or saw any type of results. This would be more understandable if you did try it out, and nothing happened for weeks or anything. This form literally only came out yesterday, give it some time.

Also I agree, my bad, I simply was saying that we aren't robotic or perfect. I worded that wrong. For the criticizing, it may not be specifically in this thread or public, but I was simply saying that for the general public, not just for you. Or for you at all.


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“Not everyone was a staff from 3 years ago. If it has been an issue for 3 years, then that issue is more for the old/retired staff members. It doesn't say anything about the new staff members at all either. Things are changing now because people are actually taking actions, and discussions have been made.”
I’m not saying the issue has been lasting for 3 years, I’m saying various problems have popped up and staff promise that they’re taking action and nothing changes.
That's a complaint for the old retired/fired staff then, we are the new staff members and we plan on taking actions here.
 

Chickeb

Cheesus
The thing is, the just wanted the players usernames, not for bad intentions. Have you considered that Soulzone might not have not thought of that? We TRULY wanted everyone's opinions, that's why the thread was even made. The ability of adding your username was seem as a bonus, not as a thing to weigh people down on. We DO WANT opinions, don't assume just because we added a name feature means that we have negative intentions. Not everyone is thinking of the form in that way, since I had players saying it was a great or good idea, speak for yourself, don't stretch the story.

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That's a complaint for the old retired/fired staff then, we are the new staff members and we plan on taking actions here.


Spamming was once issue, but if that was able to be addressed then so be it. If they don't feel comfortable, they don't need to submit, is what I'm trying to say. They can contact another staff member they are comfortable with and stuff can evolve from there, you don't need to complicate things this much Chlo. Soulzone is going to be the only person who's viewing it, and perhaps other admins. They want the best for this community, no need to incorporate pessimistic views before you even tried it out. Or saw any type of results. This would be more understandable if you did try it out, and nothing happened for weeks or anything. This form literally only came out yesterday, give it some time.

Also I agree, my bad, I simply was saying that we aren't robotic or perfect. I worded that wrong. For the criticizing, it may not be specifically in this thread or public, but I was simply saying that for the general public, not just for you. Or for you at all.
i didnt really wanna comment much on this bc i have addressed it a lot and expressed how i felt but honestly, i dont feel comfortable having my name there, knowing that soulzone himself will control it. i know theres not much you can do for that matter bc there always will be an issue but please take this into consideration
 

+wrath

Retired EN Community Manager
i didnt really wanna comment much on this bc i have addressed it a lot and expressed how i felt but honestly, i dont feel comfortable having my name there, knowing that soulzone himself will control it. i know theres not much you can do for that matter bc there always will be an issue but please take this into consideration
I understand that, but the thing is, we don't plan on being those type of biased decisions. We know it has happened before and you were discouraged, but I hope you can trust us once more and please take this. It wont hurt anyone, nor will negatively affect anyone. Even if we ignored one person, if others share the same ideas, we cannot ignore it.
 

Chlomaki

Former EN Community Manager
The thing is, the just wanted the players usernames, not for bad intentions. Have you considered that Soulzone might not have not thought of that? We TRULY wanted everyone's opinions, that's why the thread was even made. The ability of adding your username was seem as a bonus, not as a thing to weigh people down on. We DO WANT opinions, don't assume just because we added a name feature means that we have negative intentions. Not everyone is thinking of the form in that way, since I had players saying it was a great or good idea, speak for yourself, don't stretch the story.

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That's a complaint for the old retired/fired staff then, we are the new staff members and we plan on taking actions here.


Spamming was once issue, but if that was able to be addressed then so be it. If they don't feel comfortable, they don't need to submit, is what I'm trying to say. They can contact another staff member they are comfortable with and stuff can evolve from there, you don't need to complicate things this much Chlo. Soulzone is going to be the only person who's viewing it, and perhaps other admins. They want the best for this community, no need to incorporate pessimistic views before you even tried it out. Or saw any type of results. This would be more understandable if you did try it out, and nothing happened for weeks or anything. This form literally only came out yesterday, give it some time.

Also I agree, my bad, I simply was saying that we aren't robotic or perfect. I worded that wrong. For the criticizing, it may not be specifically in this thread or public, but I was simply saying that for the general public, not just for you. Or for you at all.
I never said you guys had bad intentions. Not once did I mention that or assume it. I was saying that people may view it as that or may be uncomfortable about it. Also, some may think it's a good idea, well others may say it's a bad idea. I've already had several confront me about how it was a bad idea and they feel hesitant to take the form. Try to take players' feelings into consideration, as well.

And yeah, if they aren't comfortable, then they aren't obligated to submit. That decreases the chances of actual opinions being heard, and it also may make the forum less successful. What you want are players opinion and ways to improve, but you won't get as much out of it if people are uncomfortable and moving away from that form. They aren't obligated, but they may want to speak up, but the fact that their name is out there can be unsettling.

And as I said, I never assumed that things would be used against the players, I'm talking about how they actually feel about the situation and what they're afraid of.

And honestly? If they wanted the absolute best for this community, they wouldn't abuse power like this. That really looks bad on them.
 

Chickeb

Cheesus
I understand that, but the thing is, we don't plan on being those type of biased decisions. We know it has happened before and you were discouraged, but I hope you can trust us once more and please take this. It wont hurt anyone, nor will negatively affect anyone. Even if we ignored one person, if others share the same ideas, we cannot ignore it.
(as i said before, wasnt going to comment much here so if you wanna keep chatting just hit up my discord) there were actually a LOT of things behind closed doors that happened a day ago with soulzone, including discord PMS, blocking and insults. i do believe some people on the team are great, really close with them, but some ( you know who it is and some others ) i can't feel comfortable with
EDIT: gosh that made no sense, apologizes its 2:30am
 

Minag

Mouse
Minag, I have an advice to you. If you think we killed AR community and if you think we are not caring players enough, you can quit like the players. -you all always mentioning that people quitting-

Look at your answer to game owner. You may have a lot of friends because of his game. First, you should respect him.

Addition: As Chlo said, it's being off-topic and I am stopping my words with that post. So Mina, if you have something to say us, you can contact with admins. This thread is not a place to talk about those. And I advice you to fix your attitude.
Let me get this through. You're saying that i should respect the creator because i made some friends on his game. Even tho he's banning them for some weird ass reasons... I guess you have been up there for too long that you forgot that you need to respect the players. I know i may ger a warning ,mute or even banned for saying this. But i will respect no Deutschbag
 

+wrath

Retired EN Community Manager
I never said you guys had bad intentions. Not once did I mention that or assume it. I was saying that people may view it as that or may be uncomfortable about it. Also, some may think it's a good idea, well others may say it's a bad idea. I've already had several confront me about how it was a bad idea and they feel hesitant to take the form. Try to take players' feelings into consideration, as well.

And yeah, if they aren't comfortable, then they aren't obligated to submit. That decreases the chances of actual opinions being heard, and it also may make the forum less successful. What you want are players opinion and ways to improve, but you won't get as much out of it if people are uncomfortable and moving away from that form. They aren't obligated, but they may want to speak up, but the fact that their name is out there can be unsettling.

And as I said, I never assumed that things would be used against the players, I'm talking about how they actually feel about the situation and what they're afraid of.

And honestly? If they wanted the absolute best for this community, they wouldn't abuse power like this. That really looks bad on them.

I apologize but you also came off as 'staff members might do something to influence this form'
("i don't think people would be comfortable submitting their responses at all, especially if they know they have issues with certain staff members or admins.")
But regardless, if they are uncomfortable then they can hold off their vote until all their issues have been addressed, or has ended. This form will most likely be open 24/7. I don't understand how it's a bad idea when it's only meant to help the players, if you think it's a bad idea then you don't have to vote at all if you're uncomfortable with it. It's simple as that, and it isn't deep at all. I understand the players feelings, I've been a player before in the past too, for 3 years. I've seen these things happening all the times, but there's different ways each players can address this issue.

I understand that, I still have my doubts but our staff will discuss about that, and decide with Soulzone if we'll include anonymous voters. Also, yes I now also understand that, it just came off the wrong way. As I stated before about the 'abuse of power', we understand that we made our flaws. I've addressed that already.

Let me get this through. You're saying that i should respect the creator because i made some friends on his game. Even tho he's banning them for some weird ass reasons... I guess you have been up there for too long that you forgot that you need to respect the players. I know i may ger a warning ,mute or even banned for saying this. But i will respect no Deutschbag
That wasn't necessary at all, Sevenops never personally banned or muted players for this issue. It was completely EN staff, don't stretch the story, it leads to misunderstandings. He's saying that you should understand Sevenops because he's been playing and managing this game longer than anyone here, honestly. No need to be rude to any of our staff, this type of aggression is incredibly unnecessary, nobody has treated you with this type of disrespect. Please, come informed next time before you create any type of assumption or try to contribute to an debate/discussion. Thank you.

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i honestly don't feel like explaining something that i keep repeating myself over, especially since the topic is irrelevant to the thread + it's entirely subjective.
Understandable, your ideas still will be considered.
 
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Berk

CEO & Developer
Staff Member
Admin
Lua Crew
Let me get this through. You're saying that i should respect the creator because i made some friends on his game. Even tho he's banning them for some weird ass reasons... I guess you have been up there for too long that you forgot that you need to respect the players. I know i may ger a warning ,mute or even banned for saying this. But i will respect no Deutschbag
He is banning? What? I am pretty sure you have no idea about how staff is working but attacking Seven without knowing things good enough.

And yes, you should exactly be respectful to him like I said.

My advice is still available. You should quit if you hate him like that?
 

Chlomaki

Former EN Community Manager
I apologize but you also came off as 'staff members might do something to influence this form'
("i don't think people would be comfortable submitting their responses at all, especially if they know they have issues with certain staff members or admins.")
But regardless, if they are uncomfortable then they can hold off their vote until all their issues have been addressed, or has ended. This form will most likely be open 24/7. I don't understand how it's a bad idea when it's only meant to help the players, if you think it's a bad idea then you don't have to vote at all if you're uncomfortable with it. It's simple as that, and it isn't deep at all. I understand the players feelings, I've been a player before in the past too, for 3 years. I've seen these things happening all the times, but there's different ways each players can address this issue.

I understand that, I still have my doubts but our staff will discuss about that, and decide with Soulzone if we'll include anonymous voters. Also, yes I now also understand that, it just came off the wrong way. As I stated before about the 'abuse of power', we understand that we made our flaws. I've addressed that already.
i honestly don't feel like explaining something that i keep repeating myself over, especially since the topic is irrelevant to the thread + it's entirely subjective.
 

Minag

Mouse
He is banning? What? I am pretty sure you have no idea about how staff is working but attacking Seven without knowing things good enough.

And yes, you should exactly be respectful to him like I said.

My advice is still available. You should quit if you hate him like that?
Looks like someone jumped mid conversation. I already said i'm going to quit until this BS stops
 

Berk

CEO & Developer
Staff Member
Admin
Lua Crew
Looks like someone jumped mid conversation. I already said i'm going to quit until this BS stops
I didn't, you did and I answered you. Because you attacked something that wasn't related with this subject.
 

Sevenops

Founder
Staff Member
Admin
"honestly if they truly wanted everyone's opinion equally they would disregard usernames they would also agree to the players' demands of anonymity if they truly wanted those opinions"
this is literally what people are thinking about the form.

and regardless people will still spam, especially if they don't care about their nick being out there. i don't think people would be comfortable submitting their responses at all, especially if they know they have issues with certain staff members or admins. also, certain staff members depending on the community may have trouble communicating with the admin, y'know? it's not that easy when some of the admins view honest opinions as "threats" or "insults".

additionally, this is not relevant to the topic so i'd prefer if we kept ourselves on track, please. the form thing is just subjective. the real problem here is the power abuse that an admin did.

also, nobody is heavily attacking or criticizing anyone here, except for mina maybe but that's out of my control.
After now i'm ignoring you because it's useless to talk with you i don't wanna spend my time with your "i'm right" thing anymore have fun in your life.
 

Chlomaki

Former EN Community Manager
After now i'm ignoring you because it's useless to talk with you i don't wanna spend my time with your "i'm right" thing anymore have fun in your life.
It's pretty useless to talk with you too, to be honest Seven. You tend to think you're right most of the time, and more often than not, I've seen you neglect players' opinions.
 
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