Should higher authorities/admins abuse powers?

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Chlomaki

Former EN Community Manager
Should admins abuse powers?
Recently, there has been a situation going on among the forums between certain players and administrators (though, there is mostly one in specific that I'm referring to). However, before you do answer this question (which I'm sure the answer should be obvious but let's go into specifics, I'll provide some backstory.

Backstory

Not too long ago there was a thread asking for opinions from players regarding the community and the staff team. Unfortunately, it got very heated and was eventually closed by Sevenops. However, shortly after, a user by the name "Cryaotic" was put on the BoS (ban on sight) list, and to be honest? I think it's quite a stretch, but I understand just some of it. Afterward, users started grouping up and changing their signatures, profile pictures, and locations to "#Freefaolan", along with posting status messages involving those words. You'd think it was pretty lighthearted and mostly as a joke, but unfortunately, things did not take that route.

A certain admin decided that it'd be a good idea to remove those players' profile pictures, change their signatures and location, and removed some of their status messages. Additionally, one of the players was banned for "provocation", which was actually not the case and was a false warning. The admin warned them because they went "against" the admin, but in no way insulted them or actually provoked them.

So why would I bring up something that could possibly stir some more drama?

My Explanation/Reasoning

As a start, I'd like to say that abusing powers is highly looked down upon, and in most cases, you'd be fired right then and there. And yet, what would make it fine for an admin to do exactly that? It provides a bad example for not only them but the staff team as a whole. It's enough that they are struggling to keep up with a good reputation, especially the EN staff team, so why do this now?
Hardly is anyone speaking up and confronting the situation. Instead, people, especially the admins, are condoning this unprofessional, and rather childish, behavior.
Even though the admin may disagree with the players, it doesn't make their abuse of power righteous.

What I find most odd is that staff members claim that they value the community, but they seem to value their job more than the fairness of the players in the community. To avoid risking their role, they mostly keep silent about their genuine opinions. After all, being blunt and straightforward is seen as a "threat" or "insult" towards the admins. I can say this from experience.
However, I'm well aware that some may have addressed the situation, or at least spoke up even just a little. I understand that many are hesitant, but I believe it does no good for them.

This entire situation affects not only the community but also the entire staff team. It's unfortunate that despite how much you try to reason with them though, Sevenops may continue to condone their actions, and that's just not right. It provides an example of how twisted the management is.

Regardless of how you perceive it, it still seems incredibly childish and overboard of the admin. If you do not believe me, I have evidence to provide.

So, do you believe that admins should abuse their powers and treat players unfairly?

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UPDATES
  1. Another person has been banned for #freefaolan
  2. I have an example of the abuse of power;
    34751
    In the photo, the admin is basically changing anything that goes by those words to something else in order to prevent the person from typing what they want to what he wants.
  3. Another example;
    34752
That is not okay, nor is it provocation.​
 
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Let’s be completely honest with ourselves here. The question that Chlomaki is proposing literally has one answer, NO. Why would you want admins and higher ups to abuse power, on a MOUSE GAME? Exactly. You wouldn’t. Yet some of y’all are not accepting the fact this is happening. Chlomaki is also saying that if you aren’t accepting the fact that things are happening around Miceforce that are completely unfair, you’re answering yes to the question that admins can abuse power because its evident that you are brainwashed. All in all, if you wouldn’t work for a boss or but products from a place with sketchy leadership, why play a game with it.
 
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Chlomaki

Former EN Community Manager
I would also like to add that it'd be unreasonable, and rather odd, if my thread ends up getting closed.
Edit; it also proves my point. It's a form of power abuse. You may think that the answer is obvious, but to some, it truly isn't.
 
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Lucxs

Shaman
In the shortest and simplist terms I can say, absolutely NOT.

During my time as staff under the management of Fours/Faolan, such behavior with powers would result in an immediate firing and revoke of said powers. I don't care if you have/haven't been part of the staff team, such behavior is completely unacceptable.
 

Minag

Mouse
We all know that the old staff members needs to be replaced asap. But since seven see that they're the good guys. i'm gonna quit until they solve all of this bull shit. We all know that seven will never demote his lovely soul. Because they look like good friends. And in this case that's called a Mediator. D.A'ess
 
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Mcpatrick

MAH CHEESE!
In any circumstance, an admin should not abuse their power in any way. The admins on here will make anything go their way no matter what, which is stupid, even if they’re in the wrong. I have no hate whatsoever against the current staff members, but silencing a person’s opinion (#Free cry screenshot in Chlo’s post) is useless and makes you look childish and unprofessional.
 

Sevenops

Founder
Staff Member
Admin
It's spamming because writing "#freefaolan" is not going to work creating more topics is also useless.
You won't get what you want because we won't give info/power to faolan again.
 

+wrath

Retired EN Community Manager
I'd like to comment that the events occurred doesn't completely represent the staff team as whole, it does NOT represent our managing abilities, nor does it represent our dedication for the game. I cannot speak for Soulzone, but I can speak for most of staff. We truly want the best for not only the game, but for the players. As I said many times before in the past, we work everyday searching for bugs, implementing ideas, suggesting ideas, creating events, finding new ways to promote the game, and so much more. We do this daily, not for ourselves but for the game. We have been constantly working in the background for this game, because it was things that should have been solved already in the past. Now, we plan on making our support more public in the future, with new activities and things. Admittedly, both sides in this situation had their flaws, but I hope in a matter of days or weeks, we all can calm down and become cooperative with each other. I don't like seeing a, literal fight between a singular community. It's destroying the community, it truly is. Any wrong movement can set fire to our already strained relationship at this point. I truly apologize on the behalf of the whole staff, if we ever made anyone upset or angry. I can assure you, this doesn't reflect on who we are either. I hope we can repair this relationship, but fighting violence with more violence, is not the way to go.

My opinion on this thread? Nobody should generally abuse their powers.
 

Chlomaki

Former EN Community Manager
It's spamming because writing "#freefaolan" is not going to work creating more topics is also useless.
You won't get what you want because we won't give info/power to faolan again.
So you condone abuse of power? That's literally what you've been doing now. There is no way you can say this is acceptable. It's not spam. Putting it as your pfp or signature or location is not spam, Sevenops.
Also, my thread isn't about unbanning Faolan. Read it over again, please.

I'd like to comment that the events occurred doesn't completely represent the staff team as whole, it does NOT represent our managing abilities, nor does it represent our dedication for the game. I cannot speak for Soulzone, but I can speak for most of staff. We truly want the best for not only the game, but for the players. As I said many times before in the past, we work everyday searching for bugs, implementing ideas, suggesting ideas, creating events, finding new ways to promote the game, and so much more. We do this daily, not for ourselves but for the game. We have been constantly working in the background for this game, because it was things that should have been solved already in the past. Now, we plan on making our support more public in the future, with new activities and things. Admittedly, both sides in this situation had their flaws, but I hope in a matter of days or weeks, we all can calm down and become cooperative with each other. I don't like seeing a, literal fight between a singular community. It's destroying the community, it truly is. Any wrong movement can set fire to our already strained relationship at this point. I truly apologize on the behalf of the whole staff, if we ever made anyone upset or angry. I can assure you, this doesn't reflect on who we are either. I hope we can repair this relationship, but fighting violence with more violence, is not the way to go.

My opinion on this thread? Nobody should generally abuse their powers.
Yes, I understand it shouldn't represent you nor does it make you guys who you are, but my point is that it can be greatly misunderstood because of Soul's actions. Actions can influence impressions. It really does not do good for the staff team.
 

Sevenops

Founder
Staff Member
Admin
So you condone abuse of power? That's literally what you've been doing now. There is no way you can say this is acceptable. It's not spam. Putting it as your pfp or signature or location is not spam, Sevenops.
Also, my thread isn't about unbanning Faolan. Read it over again, please.


Yes, I understand it shouldn't represent you nor does it make you guys who you are, but my point is that it can be greatly misunderstood because of Soul's actions. Actions can influence impressions. It really does not do good for the staff team.
afaik spamming in forum gives you a warning point but changing pfp is not a good idea yes.
 

Chlomaki

Former EN Community Manager
afaik spamming in forum gives you a warning point but changing pfp is not a good idea yes.
They did not spam in forums, though.
Therefore, it's an abuse of power.
 

+wrath

Retired EN Community Manager
So you condone abuse of power? That's literally what you've been doing now. There is no way you can say this is acceptable. It's not spam. Putting it as your pfp or signature or location is not spam, Sevenops.
Also, my thread isn't about unbanning Faolan. Read it over again, please.


Yes, I understand it shouldn't represent you nor does it make you guys who you are, but my point is that it can be greatly misunderstood because of Soul's actions. Actions can influence impressions. It really does not do good for the staff team.
That's an issue that should be addressed between staff members, I do appreciate your concerns on our reputation, but we plan on fixing that. We'll discuss what we can do, and take ideas from players. Now if you have any opinions, thoughts or ideas, please recommend them here.
 

Chlomaki

Former EN Community Manager
That's an issue that should be addressed between staff members, I do appreciate your concerns on our reputation, but we plan on fixing that. We'll discuss what we can do, and take ideas from players. Now if you have any opinions, thoughts or ideas, please recommend them here.
i don't trust that form bruh i aint even anonymous

e; also, i know it's an issue that should be addressed between staff members, but keep in mind that there's some that really are hesitant or afraid to actually speak up. not much you can do if they won't open up.
 

Minag

Mouse
Seven. You forgot something. A game with no players is not even a game. If you your game is already dying and half the staff is toxic. Maybe it's time to look for a replacement
 

Sevenops

Founder
Staff Member
Admin
i don't trust that form bruh i aint even anonymous

e; also, i know it's an issue that should be addressed between staff members, but keep in mind that there's some that really are hesitant or afraid to actually speak up. not much you can do if they won't open up.
You don't have to be anonymous to express your opinions.

Seven. You forgot something. A game with no players is not even a game. If you your game is already dying and half the staff is toxic. Maybe it's time to look for a replacement
I didn't like the changing forum profiles forcely too but provocating is not something good too. Everyone in staff is also human.
 

+wrath

Retired EN Community Manager
i don't trust that form bruh i aint even anonymous

e; also, i know it's an issue that should be addressed between staff members, but keep in mind that there's some that really are hesitant or afraid to actually speak up. not much you can do if they won't open up.
The reason why they want your name is because of many reasons:
  • To make sure you're a player
  • If you were ex-staff, they would want to hear your opinions on this matter.

And so on. Soulzone made this thread PUBLIC to EVERYONE, meaning EVERYONE, and ANYONE, can answer it. He's going to thoroughly read them all, and I appreciate that. He wants to genuinely improve this community, and sometimes even completely blames himself for the game's inactivity, when we all know it wasn't entirely his fault. So please, be understanding and take this form if you truly want to help and support the community.
 

Chlomaki

Former EN Community Manager
You don't have to be anonymous to express your opinions.


I didn't like the changing forum profiles forcely too but provocating is not something good too. Everyone in staff is also human.
What they did isn't provocation tho

also, a lot of people can feel uncomfortable if they don't have the ability to be anonymous. you should know that, seven. it's easier for people to speak up about their thoughts and opinions when they're anonymous.
 

Chickeb

Cheesus
You don't have to be anonymous to express your opinions.


I didn't like the changing forum profiles forcely too but provocating is not something good too. Everyone in staff is also human.
(replying to your second quote) the purpose of #FreeFaolan was not to annoy or harass staff members but to bring awareness to what we saw as an unfair ban
 

Chlomaki

Former EN Community Manager
The reason why they want your name is because of many reasons:
  • To make sure you're a player
  • If you were ex-staff, they would want to hear your opinions on this matter.
And so on. Soulzone made this thread PUBLIC to EVERYONE, meaning EVERYONE, and ANYONE, can answer it. He's going to thoroughly read them all, and I appreciate that. He wants to genuinely improve this community, and sometimes even completely blames himself for the game's inactivity, when we all know it wasn't entirely his fault. So please, be understanding and take this form if you truly want to help and support the community.
I'm pretty sure most of the submissions would be players rather than complete strangers. Also, as I mentioned earlier, you're more likely to get forms and be successful in receiving them when people have the ability to be anonymous. Some people are genuinely hesitant and afraid. You're also forgetting that current staff members may want to say something, as well. They're included, after all.

e; Also, some players may feel like their opinion may be ignored due to bias or whatever the hell, which is why a lot of them would prefer to be anonymous rather than exposed.

e2; we're also getting off-topic here. the thread is about abuse of power, not the form.
 
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