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hi son. fixing most/some issues that we've stated above would help a hella lot
Fixing the issues I've talked about won't actually get more players in the game. The only issue that could help after being resolved is the toxic community but thats the level of toxicity is different from everyones point of view and that isnt an issue that I can see being changed.
If I've missed some other issues that could help once resolved, please list them to me.
 

Chickeb

Cheesus
it'll improve the game overall, causing more players to stay. reread everything please, one simple idea i stated, first page is to interact with you community and host events. there are PLENTY more ideas we've stated if you actually listen to them
 

Cryaotic

¡Ándale! ¡Ándale!
OK lets address some claims shall we?

1) EN has much less players currently than it used to have.
EN undoubtedly has much fewer members than it used to have when Fao / Chlo were CCMs. One of the major reasons the player count dropped was due to the implementation of GL. What is GL? GL refers to global rooms. To those who arent aware, in December 2018, EN decided to no longer be the international room. Rooms with a * at the beginning were GL rooms. A very high percentage of past EN players did NOT speak english and thus, ditched EN for the international rooms. As a result, the amount of EN players took a huge hit. GL rooms do have a good amount of players most of the time. There may be other factors but if players truly do enjoy Miceforce, a change of management style will NOT cause them to leave. Its only those who care about power and politics who actually give a shit.
Lets start here. Very good start to this prolonged debate.

I. No, it's not because EN was separated from the once international part of the community. Yes, EN did lose players for that, but that's not how we know the game lost players. We know because all the players that were once active and chatty NEVER come online anymore, and a lot of them say it's because they got bored of the game and they don't miss it because of how little goes on. Nothing ever happens, and that's the truth. The chats are always dead now and things have not changed, there are never community events that bring players closer together, and the staff don't give reasons for the players to stay. Don't blame the effects of your teams actions on global changes.

2) Favouritism

For starters, I have seen 0 staff members be promoted just because they have a good relationship with their higher ups. Let me share about my experience and how I climbed the ladders. I joined the staff team in December 2018 with 0 friends in the staff team. I worked hard and devoted myself into my role and that was what everyone else was doing. I became friends with the whole staff team because they were so welcoming but did they favor me due to that? No. My first promotion was FC but that was with a good reason. My timezone is different from every other EN staff member and my desire was to entertain those who couldnt be entertained by all the EST FC's. I was promoted to FC Director due to 2 reasons. I was the most experienced FC member in the team and the former director was let go. At this point of time, I saw no other staff member receive special treatment. Everyone was getting what they deserved be it good or bad. I became a MapCrew member a while later since I saw a huge flaw in the current P10 map roation. Recently, I was promoted to Mod Director and CO admin due to lost recognising just how much I devoted myself into my work. Why do I say all this? If me, a dude who was rejected by past managers, with 0 connections in the staff team, rose to the highest rank while everyone else was throwing in just as much hard work as I was, what favouritism is going on here? There are people closer to Lost in the team and many others who are closer to their directors so why arent they higher up the chain than I am?
When we talk about favoritism, we're talking about the situation of Lost being promoted to EN Community Manager because she's dating Berkay, and not because she was qualified, not because she had the sufficient amount of training and preparation, simply because the kind of trust she had from Berkay was induced by a RELATIONSHIP. He trusts her with his feelings, so now he trusts her with this position. The only reason other council delegates may have agree'd with him is because they don't know her personally and they don't know what exact training she's had, they don't know enough but they decide to vote in her favour anyhow.
You're talking so much about yourself but no one is even talking about you. Don't twist words and shift the focus on yourself. If no one mentioned your name, you aren't relevant on terms of favouritism.

3) Staff riots. Here we go again

Be real for a sec here ok. If you had a rat in your team, giving away crucial information, would you not prioritise the safety of your info over your employees? Fao, in the old training ground / force social, Id see you kick and ban those just for being a nuisance and you're knowing for being ruthless and kicking those who'd pose as a nuisance or a threat so Im sure you'd do the same if you were dealing with rats. The 3 who were rehired were rehired since they were proven innocent. In a case of a potential rat, guilty till proven innocent works better for the whole team and game than innocent till proven guilty.
Oh no, I would definitely prioritise the safety of my staff team, but I would only fire a staff member if I were VERY SURE they were the one spilling info.
And again, you're twisting my words. Did I ever say that 3 of the 6 people rehired were the ones that were sharing info? No. Only 4-5 people were sharing info in the team at the time, and only 1 of them got fired out of those 6 people. The rest of the 5 were completely innocent. It was ridiculous as shit and quite farfetched from EVERYONE'S point of view. The other people who shared info are either still on the team or got away with it and "retired". And innocence and guiltiness doesn't have to swing one way or the other, you can suspect people. You can fire people under the suspection of spilling staff info but there is NO NEED to announce the demotion of innocent staff members, completely humiliating them and damaging their reputation. You are supposed to keep it on the low, not embarrass your co-workers and make them feel guilty for something they didn't do. I kicked people from Training Grounds for causing drama or starting unnecessary tension between staff members, for example, you. I kicked you for talking back to my staff and ranting about how I refused to hire you. It ticked me off how you ranted to people and said how you thought you deserved to be a mod above everyone else, therefore it was VERY reasonable to kick you from my discord server. And NO. I would NOT do the same if there were "rats" so you call them, or people spilling info. When there was an incident of a staff member leaking info, I would investigate it until I found out and got the proof and banned them from my discord servers. And I was a good enough sleuth to actually get all the information I needed, instead of being ever so lazy and just panicking and firing people left and right just because you don't know them well. Surprisingly, the person who was sharing info in this case was a staff director that I trusted and was pretending to help me find the person who was stealing info. Ironic, wasn't it? I caught them anyway. It's funny how 3 of them are on your team.
Geez, and I thought I was the inconsiderate one.

4) Staff relationship thread.

I don't know much on that whole issue but what I do know is that it was archived since it became more of a trashtalking thread like an actual suggestion. If you were on the team and saw a thread on a suggestion forum when its more of "talking about how bad the current manager is cause she has a bf ohh she must have been favoed", would you not feel provoked / taken it down if you could?
The person who created that topic did NOT trash talk in the original post. The people who posted on it did, and if a staff member didn't like that, they shouldn't have gone sicko mode on their powers and closed and archived the thread, they should've talked to the players personally or edit messages out and leave the "/support or /unsupport" alone if it triggered you guys so much. And no, I would NOT take it down, I would address the issue and talk to the person. I wouldn't try to silence players, that accounts as ABUSE OF POWER. Every time someone made a topic confronting me or trying to humiliate me on the cafe, my teammates would offer to take it down but I always told them not to, I would keep the topics up and address ALL problems.
Don't assume I'm like you and possess the same work ethic and panic-strikes like your current manager. Quite making assumptions and don't assume myself to be a hypocrite. I know what I'm talking about, and if I understood and felt the same for all of Lost's actions, I wouldn't be here saying anything.

5) Toxic community

Take away the handful of cafers + ex staff who are pissed at lost and you'd still have most of the community with so much toxicity gone.

EDIT* EN is not the only community suffering with low player rate. Many other communities have also been receiving less players and if you insist that thats due to Losts management and not because of the many other factors that have a super high chance of causing this then Idk man, you do you
The staff team is the toxic one. Go tell the normal players that say the community is toxic that it isn't, it'll piss them off and they'll start attacking you for it. It's like you want to believe that everything the staff does is good and you guys have never done any wrong or made major mistakes, major enough to provoke your entire community; but you have. If you did nothing wrong, we wouldn't be here right now like I said.
"then Idk man, you do you "
Oh, the apathy and denial. You would tell yourself anything to convince yourself that your team isn't contributing to a communities inactivity.
 

Yasir

Former AR Community Manager
The game just doesn't give anything to the players to keep them interested, it's boring. If you don't keep the players coming back for more they'll just leave, It's not rocket sicence. I think that is the main reason for those who actually play the game for fun. On the other hand, we also know that the majority of EN players are 10-15 yo kids who are desperate to be shown love and affection, or maybe just friendships online, so the bonds they make in-game are the reason they keep playing, once that bond is broken, the rest leaves. We also know that there are tons of hackers or people who break the rules on a daily basis get banned, and they could have friends who support them, and again, if one leaves the rest follows.
I also do believe that staff members have a big impact on this subject, I know that some of them are bad at doing their jobs, I also know that there are still people who think having powers on a 2D rat game think they're powerful and would do literally anything to reach their goal, I've personally known someone who became an admin because of lying and acting nice and kissing the other admins' asses and this clearly shows corruption and how easily it is to manipulate the staff team and get in without really having what it takes. But there are also good members who do their job perfectly, sadly there are probably only 2-3 of them. But I did see a few screenshots that show unprofessionalism from the higher-ups which is bad and needs to be changed. The whole EN staff system needs a change if they want to prevent more people from leaving, otherwise it's only getting worse, that's just my opinion. No hate intended.
 

Cryaotic

¡Ándale! ¡Ándale!
I never once said that you favored your staff. I never once brought up you as a CCM since I never involved myself towards the staff while you were in charge of EN. Since I know absolutely nothing on how you ran your staff since I was hired when Chlomaki was CCM, I have no right to comment on your time as CCM. I never had a problem with you or your managing, what I stated was I haven't seen Lost favor anyone in particular. When I said by herself I was mostly referring towards the fires and how I was one of them. In the moment I felt like it was favoritism, but then again, both the parties always had different opinions that were mostly the same. It wasn't only Lost's decision, it was Inval's, Berk's, Syth's, and Lost's. I was also referring to the firing of Chlo, which I feel was unnecessary since Chlo was doing her best for EN. I apologize if I rubbed off the wrong way.
This is the exact problem. Lost was dating Berk, and Sythers was close to Inval and some say they were even dating. No clue if that was true or not.
It's ironic how you say that but all 4 of them denied it. It's like the entire EN staff can't get their story straight on what has been happening since Lost was hired.
I'm constantly told different things on different matters by EN staff. It's pathetic.
 

Chlomaki

Former EN Community Manager
it's nice to see that this thread was made. i can imagine that there was hesitation though due to the fear that there's a possibility it may be deleted or locked and archived. thankfully, with seven's permission, that won't happen (if he doesn't go back on his words, that is).
anyways, i'm here to contribute with my personal experience, knowledge, and honest opinions along with some suggestions.

i'll be skipping the moments i was working under faolan as i'd like to actually get straight to the point of where most of the issues started occurring, however, some situations while i was working under him will be relevant for certain statements i may make.

as a start, i'd like to mention the obvious; the game as a whole is dying out, and this is not only due to EN's influences which i'll certainly admit. i believe this is the cause of laziness and slacking off that occurs within the entire staff team, especially with the upper authorities themselves. there is a lack of interest in this game and people no longer are drawn to it as they used to be. it's practically inactive at this point and it's gradually decreasing day by day.
honestly, it feels like there's barely any effort being put into improving the game in general. at this point, the only updates you'll get are new items, desperate title giveaways, and repetitive or boring events.

however, it's not only the community and it's lack of activity + entertainment that i have an issue with. it's also the toxic staff team. i am not only talking about EN specifically but the entire staff. you're welcome, EN staff members. you're finally not the only ones getting mentioned.
i'd like to start off during the moments i was a manager til the moment i was fired for a pathetic reason. turns out the "inactivity" excuse was just a coverup, which i'll explain soon.
while i was a manager, i admit that things were tough. i didn't actually have enough support back then, and i felt a tension between me and other admins. i was mostly disliked by other admins, but that is due to past staff members tainting my reputation with utter bullshit. it may also be because of the fact that i'm friends with faolan, who they also dislike. additionally, they seem to have a thing against people who are upfront with their opinions and blunt, so basically people who don't kiss their ass and call it a day.

it was difficult trying to hire people and be on top of my game, but i truly wanted not only the best for the team, but also the best for the community. i was incredibly busy and struggling as well, and i do admit i considered quitting multiple times, but i did not because i didn't want to leave things unfinished. i wanted the team to be full enough to the point where i could actually feel comfortable retiring. unfortunately, it didn't turn out that way. i was not as social with my team members, which i do apologize for, but it's due to personal issues.
i suppose the reason why hiring was difficult for me was because i refused to hire past staff members again or anyone who had a close relationship with me (with the exception of two, but it was not due to favoritism, but because i gave them a chance and saw that they did their work well). i made google forms and i provided miceforce members a chance. i scrolled through the forms and considered most of them. unfortunately, it was difficult because a lot of them were also not very good or they seemed rather insincere. however, i'd still occasionally promote those forms each time. i spent my time making them. hiring people is harder than you think in a somewhat inactive community and also when you're excluding favoritism.

during my time as a manager, lost had retired due to an injury. i understood and i let her off, though i was mostly somewhat sad because she was a helpful aspect to the moderation aspect of the team. however, a certain admin hired her as co-admin without letting me know, and then suddenly lost accepted that offer? and it probably didn't even take more than a day for her to get into the team again. quite odd, don't you think? anyways, i noticed that suspicious changes were happening after she was promoted to co-admin. eventually, i then realized she was micromanaging me and had done things without my permission. she still continued even after i told her directly not to do things without my consent. also, i know some of you will deny what she has done, but that'd prove your bias because for 1. you were not there to experience or witness that, and for 2. i have full on evidence to debunk your statements. what irritates me most is that people seem to assume that i was a negative influence as a manager as well and that i had shared info or worked with faolan, which i mostly certainly did not.

afterward, i was then fired and then sythers and lost were promoted. sythers was a terrible choice. i was mindblown. she was fired multiple times, hardly had any experience, and was the co-admin of an inactive community and was just favored full-on. she had experience with blackmail and sharing information/gaining information, and also framing others with false screenshots. nice going, staffies. and now for lost? honestly, i was quite disappointed. she hardly had any experience with actual managing itself and she wasn't even co-admin for longer than perhaps a week or two? and most of all, she was (and still is) in a relationship with the CEO, which was most likely beneficial for her. during this, i felt as if it were set up, and i still feel like that to this day.
for awhile i was confused and struggling to find a reason as to why i was fired. at one point i was told by an admin it was for "inactivity"
recently i just found out, directly from sevenops, that the reason i was provided was utter bullshit.
these are the words that he had to say;
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there's a lot more, but i can't seem to find them as of now. if i do find them, i'll provide it.

anyways, it goes to show how judgemental, how BIASED, and how TERRIBLE the managing is in the entire staff team, especially among the higher-ups. they fired me because i was basically friends with faolan. they disliked faolan, and so, therefore, they should fire me, right?

the reason why i'm explaining all of this is to provide information and evidence as to how toxic and biased the staff team is.

there is definitely favoritism occurring in the current EN staff team, as well. whether you like it or not, it's happening. what i dislike a lot is that i've seen the same EN staff members try to cover this up and refuse to acknowledge players' opinions regarding the favoritism or that fact.

anyways, quite funny that a manager, who has had MANY riots against them occur, doesn't get fired but i do simply because of a friend? open your eyes to how twisted the managing is.

additionally, i believe that certain admins are very lazy with their responses to players' complaints and seem to show hardly any care for them, and there is also evidence to support that. what follows that are obvious lies, as well. there's barely any professionalism involved and just constant denial. acknowledge your flaws for once, please. this would not be happening if the damn staff team would actually make an effort to improve.

now, for my suggestions, i'll provide them if you ask because i've typed a lot and i don't really want to keep adding onto this even more.
 

Cryaotic

¡Ándale! ¡Ándale!
it's nice to see that this thread was made. i can imagine that there was hesitation though due to the fear that there's a possibility it may be deleted or locked and archived. thankfully, with seven's permission, that won't happen (if he doesn't go back on his words, that is).
anyways, i'm here to contribute with my personal experience, knowledge, and honest opinions along with some suggestions.

i'll be skipping the moments i was working under faolan as i'd like to actually get straight to the point of where most of the issues started occurring, however, some situations while i was working under him will be relevant for certain statements i may make.

as a start, i'd like to mention the obvious; the game as a whole is dying out, and this is not only due to EN's influences which i'll certainly admit. i believe this is the cause of laziness and slacking off that occurs within the entire staff team, especially with the upper authorities themselves. there is a lack of interest in this game and people no longer are drawn to it as they used to be. it's practically inactive at this point and it's gradually decreasing day by day.
honestly, it feels like there's barely any effort being put into improving the game in general. at this point, the only updates you'll get are new items, desperate title giveaways, and repetitive or boring events.

however, it's not only the community and it's lack of activity + entertainment that i have an issue with. it's also the toxic staff team. i am not only talking about EN specifically but the entire staff. you're welcome, EN staff members. you're finally not the only ones getting mentioned.
i'd like to start off during the moments i was a manager til the moment i was fired for a pathetic reason. turns out the "inactivity" excuse was just a coverup, which i'll explain soon.
while i was a manager, i admit that things were tough. i didn't actually have enough support back then, and i felt a tension between me and other admins. i was mostly disliked by other admins, but that is due to past staff members tainting my reputation with utter bullshit. it may also be because of the fact that i'm friends with faolan, who they also dislike. additionally, they seem to have a thing against people who are upfront with their opinions and blunt, so basically people who don't kiss their ass and call it a day.

it was difficult trying to hire people and be on top of my game, but i truly wanted not only the best for the team, but also the best for the community. i was incredibly busy and struggling as well, and i do admit i considered quitting multiple times, but i did not because i didn't want to leave things unfinished. i wanted the team to be full enough to the point where i could actually feel comfortable retiring. unfortunately, it didn't turn out that way. i was not as social with my team members, which i do apologize for, but it's due to personal issues.
i suppose the reason why hiring was difficult for me was because i refused to hire past staff members again or anyone who had a close relationship with me (with the exception of two, but it was not due to favoritism, but because i gave them a chance and saw that they did their work well). i made google forms and i provided miceforce members a chance. i scrolled through the forms and considered most of them. unfortunately, it was difficult because a lot of them were also not very good or they seemed rather insincere. however, i'd still occasionally promote those forms each time. i spent my time making them. hiring people is harder than you think in a somewhat inactive community and also when you're excluding favoritism.

during my time as a manager, lost had retired due to an injury. i understood and i let her off, though i was mostly somewhat sad because she was a helpful aspect to the moderation aspect of the team. however, a certain admin hired her as co-admin without letting me know, and then suddenly lost accepted that offer? and it probably didn't even take more than a day for her to get into the team again. quite odd, don't you think? anyways, i noticed that suspicious changes were happening after she was promoted to co-admin. eventually, i then realized she was micromanaging me and had done things without my permission. she still continued even after i told her directly not to do things without my consent. also, i know some of you will deny what she has done, but that'd prove your bias because for 1. you were not there to experience or witness that, and for 2. i have full on evidence to debunk your statements. what irritates me most is that people seem to assume that i was a negative influence as a manager as well and that i had shared info or worked with faolan, which i mostly certainly did not.

afterward, i was then fired and then sythers and lost were promoted. sythers was a terrible choice. i was mindblown. she was fired multiple times, hardly had any experience, and was the co-admin of an inactive community and was just favored full-on. she had experience with blackmail and sharing information/gaining information, and also framing others with false screenshots. nice going, staffies. and now for lost? honestly, i was quite disappointed. she hardly had any experience with actual managing itself and she wasn't even co-admin for longer than perhaps a week or two? and most of all, she was (and still is) in a relationship with the CEO, which was most likely beneficial for her. during this, i felt as if it were set up, and i still feel like that to this day.
for awhile i was confused and struggling to find a reason as to why i was fired. at one point i was told by an admin it was for "inactivity"
recently i just found out, directly from sevenops, that the reason i was provided was utter bullshit.
these are the words that he had to say;
there's a lot more, but i can't seem to find them as of now. if i do find them, i'll provide it.

anyways, it goes to show how judgemental, how BIASED, and how TERRIBLE the managing is in the entire staff team, especially among the higher-ups. they fired me because i was basically friends with faolan. they disliked faolan, and so, therefore, they should fire me, right?

the reason why i'm explaining all of this is to provide information and evidence as to how toxic and biased the staff team is.

there is definitely favoritism occurring in the current EN staff team, as well. whether you like it or not, it's happening. what i dislike a lot is that i've seen the same EN staff members try to cover this up and refuse to acknowledge players' opinions regarding the favoritism or that fact.

anyways, quite funny that a manager, who has had MANY riots against them occur, doesn't get fired but i do simply because of a friend? open your eyes to how twisted the managing is.

additionally, i believe that certain admins are very lazy with their responses to players' complaints and seem to show hardly any care for them, and there is also evidence to support that. what follows that are obvious lies, as well. there's barely any professionalism involved and just constant denial. acknowledge your flaws for once, please. this would not be happening if the damn staff team would actually make an effort to improve.

now, for my suggestions, i'll provide them if you ask because i've typed a lot and i don't really want to keep adding onto this even more.
God damn
I have never actually seen those screenshots until now and that proves a lot.

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Chlomaki

Former EN Community Manager

Berk

CEO & Developer
Staff Member
Admin
Lua Crew
it's nice to see that this thread was made. i can imagine that there was hesitation though due to the fear that there's a possibility it may be deleted or locked and archived. thankfully, with seven's permission, that won't happen (if he doesn't go back on his words, that is).
anyways, i'm here to contribute with my personal experience, knowledge, and honest opinions along with some suggestions.

i'll be skipping the moments i was working under faolan as i'd like to actually get straight to the point of where most of the issues started occurring, however, some situations while i was working under him will be relevant for certain statements i may make.

as a start, i'd like to mention the obvious; the game as a whole is dying out, and this is not only due to EN's influences which i'll certainly admit. i believe this is the cause of laziness and slacking off that occurs within the entire staff team, especially with the upper authorities themselves. there is a lack of interest in this game and people no longer are drawn to it as they used to be. it's practically inactive at this point and it's gradually decreasing day by day.
honestly, it feels like there's barely any effort being put into improving the game in general. at this point, the only updates you'll get are new items, desperate title giveaways, and repetitive or boring events.

however, it's not only the community and it's lack of activity + entertainment that i have an issue with. it's also the toxic staff team. i am not only talking about EN specifically but the entire staff. you're welcome, EN staff members. you're finally not the only ones getting mentioned.
i'd like to start off during the moments i was a manager til the moment i was fired for a pathetic reason. turns out the "inactivity" excuse was just a coverup, which i'll explain soon.
while i was a manager, i admit that things were tough. i didn't actually have enough support back then, and i felt a tension between me and other admins. i was mostly disliked by other admins, but that is due to past staff members tainting my reputation with utter bullshit. it may also be because of the fact that i'm friends with faolan, who they also dislike. additionally, they seem to have a thing against people who are upfront with their opinions and blunt, so basically people who don't kiss their ass and call it a day.

it was difficult trying to hire people and be on top of my game, but i truly wanted not only the best for the team, but also the best for the community. i was incredibly busy and struggling as well, and i do admit i considered quitting multiple times, but i did not because i didn't want to leave things unfinished. i wanted the team to be full enough to the point where i could actually feel comfortable retiring. unfortunately, it didn't turn out that way. i was not as social with my team members, which i do apologize for, but it's due to personal issues.
i suppose the reason why hiring was difficult for me was because i refused to hire past staff members again or anyone who had a close relationship with me (with the exception of two, but it was not due to favoritism, but because i gave them a chance and saw that they did their work well). i made google forms and i provided miceforce members a chance. i scrolled through the forms and considered most of them. unfortunately, it was difficult because a lot of them were also not very good or they seemed rather insincere. however, i'd still occasionally promote those forms each time. i spent my time making them. hiring people is harder than you think in a somewhat inactive community and also when you're excluding favoritism.

during my time as a manager, lost had retired due to an injury. i understood and i let her off, though i was mostly somewhat sad because she was a helpful aspect to the moderation aspect of the team. however, a certain admin hired her as co-admin without letting me know, and then suddenly lost accepted that offer? and it probably didn't even take more than a day for her to get into the team again. quite odd, don't you think? anyways, i noticed that suspicious changes were happening after she was promoted to co-admin. eventually, i then realized she was micromanaging me and had done things without my permission. she still continued even after i told her directly not to do things without my consent. also, i know some of you will deny what she has done, but that'd prove your bias because for 1. you were not there to experience or witness that, and for 2. i have full on evidence to debunk your statements. what irritates me most is that people seem to assume that i was a negative influence as a manager as well and that i had shared info or worked with faolan, which i mostly certainly did not.

afterward, i was then fired and then sythers and lost were promoted. sythers was a terrible choice. i was mindblown. she was fired multiple times, hardly had any experience, and was the co-admin of an inactive community and was just favored full-on. she had experience with blackmail and sharing information/gaining information, and also framing others with false screenshots. nice going, staffies. and now for lost? honestly, i was quite disappointed. she hardly had any experience with actual managing itself and she wasn't even co-admin for longer than perhaps a week or two? and most of all, she was (and still is) in a relationship with the CEO, which was most likely beneficial for her. during this, i felt as if it were set up, and i still feel like that to this day.
for awhile i was confused and struggling to find a reason as to why i was fired. at one point i was told by an admin it was for "inactivity"
recently i just found out, directly from sevenops, that the reason i was provided was utter bullshit.
these are the words that he had to say;
there's a lot more, but i can't seem to find them as of now. if i do find them, i'll provide it.

anyways, it goes to show how judgemental, how BIASED, and how TERRIBLE the managing is in the entire staff team, especially among the higher-ups. they fired me because i was basically friends with faolan. they disliked faolan, and so, therefore, they should fire me, right?

the reason why i'm explaining all of this is to provide information and evidence as to how toxic and biased the staff team is.

there is definitely favoritism occurring in the current EN staff team, as well. whether you like it or not, it's happening. what i dislike a lot is that i've seen the same EN staff members try to cover this up and refuse to acknowledge players' opinions regarding the favoritism or that fact.

anyways, quite funny that a manager, who has had MANY riots against them occur, doesn't get fired but i do simply because of a friend? open your eyes to how twisted the managing is.

additionally, i believe that certain admins are very lazy with their responses to players' complaints and seem to show hardly any care for them, and there is also evidence to support that. what follows that are obvious lies, as well. there's barely any professionalism involved and just constant denial. acknowledge your flaws for once, please. this would not be happening if the damn staff team would actually make an effort to improve.

now, for my suggestions, i'll provide them if you ask because i've typed a lot and i don't really want to keep adding onto this even more.
Wait what? Do you think you are fired because of you are friend with Faolan? No.

You are fired because you worked with someone who was not in staff (Faolan). He was at EN Management server and he was making decisions with you. I want you not to mislead the cases. Thanks.
 

Chlomaki

Former EN Community Manager
Wait what? Do you think you are fired because of you are friend with Faolan? No.

You are fired because you worked with someone who was not in staff (Faolan). He was at EN Management server and he was making decisions with you. I want you not to mislead the cases. Thanks.
you tell me not to mislead cases, and yet, you're misleading others. i NEVER worked with faolan, first of all. thanks for confirming my information, by the way. i finally know who the hell said that about me. secondly, where is your evidence of me working with faolan? he was not making decisions with me whatsoever. stop spreading false information with little evidence to back yourself up. i have history of dms and conversations in the management channel to show that i did not work with faolan at all (my lord, there's barely even any conversations between us if anything). if i did talk to faolan about anything staff-related, it was mostly in need of his guidance since i was still new to managing.
finally, i was told something different by sevenops, so do not claim that i am misleading cases if it is him doing it. Thanks.

e; also, i like how you ignore most of my other points, but the only thing you have to talk about is the reason for why i was fired. would've been nice to actually have you contribute a bit more instead of spreading further false information about me. exactly what i mean by tainting my reputation among others.

e; one more edit because i'd also like to mention that you were not there to witness my conversations with faolan or my management, so therefore what you are claiming is simply an assumption/accusation and it's insensible. as far as i know, you barely had any involvement with me while i was a manager, nor were you in my server or in my dms.
 
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Chlomaki

Former EN Community Manager
first of all, none of that shows him making decisions for me. secondly, he's the owner of that server and him being able to look at conversations was out of my ability at the time.
as a start, the first screenshot actually had nothing to do with management because that thread is his, and so therefore it's his rules. so that's out of the question.

secondly, i did not tag faolan to join in, he's the one who decides to join in. so once again, he's not the one making decisions for me, nor am i working with him. him jumping into conversations does not = working with him or making decisions for me, so stop trying to twist shit around.

thirdly, i can see why that seems like he's working with me, but i can say that i was still in need of guidance somewhat at the time due to lack of support. he has past experience, after all. i didn't have anyone to actually back me up. this still does not confirm that i was working with him, though.

for the fourth screenshot, i have no idea how that is relevant or how that says that i was working with him, but alright berk.

for the fifth screenshot, like i've said before, it was him giving a suggestion which i did not necessarily ask for, but i didn't complain either because he still has experience.

most of the "evidence" your provided were shit that was actual guidance. hardly do you see him making decisions for me or me working with him. i was a new manager, for gods sakes. i'm not going to learn everything right at the spot. he has years of experience. he's not telling me who to hire.
also, blue wasn't bluera, berk. at least from what i can remember, it was a whole entire different person who was just very bad at moderation.

and finally, i like how you tagged the two as if we said anything that was considered "shit-talking"
also, the fact that those screenshots were taken most likely means that lost was, of course, screenshotting stuff behind my back without any context given. however, i have plenty to provide, so go on.

e; also most of the time i didn't even tag him, he just jumped in to be quite frank with you. so yeah, another way of taking things out of context, huh?
 
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Berk

CEO & Developer
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Lua Crew
first of all, none of that shows him making decisions for me. secondly, he's the owner of that server and him being able to look at conversations was out of my ability at the time.
as a start, the first screenshot actually had nothing to do with management because that thread is his, and so therefore it's his rules. so that's out of the question.

secondly, i did not tag faolan to join in, he's the one who decides to join in. so once again, he's not the one making decisions for me, nor am i working with him. him jumping into conversations does not = working with him or making decisions for me, so stop trying to twist shit around.

thirdly, i can see why that seems like he's working with me, but i can say that i was still in need of guidance somewhat at the time due to lack of support. he has past experience, after all. i didn't have anyone to actually back me up. this still does not confirm that i was working with him, though.

for the fourth screenshot, i have no idea how that is relevant or how that says that i was working with him, but alright berk.

for the fifth screenshot, like i've said before, it was him giving a suggestion which i did not necessarily ask for, but i didn't complain either because he still has experience.

most of the "evidence" your provided were shit that was actual guidance. hardly do you see him making decisions for me or me working with him. i was a new manager, for gods sakes. i'm not going to learn everything right at the spot. he has years of experience. he's not telling me who to hire.
also, blue wasn't bluera, berk. at least from what i can remember, it was a whole entire different person who was just very bad at moderation.

and finally, i like how you tagged the two as if we said anything that was considered "shit-talking"
also, the fact that those screenshots were taken most likely means that lost was, of course, screenshotting stuff behind my back without any context given. however, i have plenty to provide, so go on.
Since when are we hosting people who is not in MF Staff?

And after these images, do you claim that he is not involved in decisions? Don't you think that's ridiculous?

And sorry for tagging the wrong person. I fixed the tag with true person.
 

Chlomaki

Former EN Community Manager
Since when are we hosting people who is not in MF Staff?

And after these images, do you claim that he is not involved in decisions? Don't you think that's ridiculous?

And sorry for tagging the wrong person. I fixed the tag with true person.
it seems like he involved himself, but the point is that if he was affecting my decisions or making them for me. no. he was not and never actually did. you still used several false screenshots as well and took them out of context. funny how in some of those screenshots with the actual context provided, i actually didn't even respond to his comment and mostly went on my way. so, after my reasoning, are you still going to claim that he's been involved in decisions? he was hardly even there, and i can provide screenshot of that shit, too. just ask away for the evidence.
and anyways, it should be well-known that admins, including ones who are ex with good experience, help guide the newbies. how else would we damn learn? keep in mind that i didn't really have any i could rely on, as well. kaanade was often busy, and most of the other admins disliked me because of some bullshit that happened in the past.
so, will you still claim that? will you still claim that i was working with him, even though i clearly was not? will you still continue to provide screenshots that don't actually show the whole context?

e; i'm going to provide screenshots with the entire context.
 

Cryaotic

¡Ándale! ¡Ándale!
That’s the wrong Blue LOL. And B @Bellamy already knows that she constantly quit and re-joined the team and she was very understanding before that it’s not a managers favourite thing to put up with, so the fact that you’re tagging them like that as if they will hate me for that is so immature. I have no ill will against Bell, so just because I said that, it wasn’t a personal attack on her.
And no, I NEVER made decisions for Chlomaki. Her managing style is different and I don’t need her copying me and I didn’t ask her to copy everything I do; she just goes with the system.

For the first screenshot, I was explaining to them something about a thread on the forum that I MADE. Therefore I have the right to choose what the topic is about and what isn’t following the thread rules and what is following the thread rules.

In the second screenshot, how does that prove I was controlling Chlomaki and telling her what to do? Someone was ranting to me about that mod handling EN reports without asking and all I said was that he’s “fucking annoying”.

In the third screenshot, she wanted to fire someone but if she fired them, she wouldn’t have mods. I gave her a simple tip so you need to calm down. She didn’t have to follow my advice if she didn’t want to, I wouldn’t hate her for it. I was simply there to guide her if she needed it and Kaanade was there to help too.

In the fourth screenshot, again, how is that me telling her what to do and make decisions for her? She asked me how she would announce it, why is that cropped out of the screenshot, huh? To make it look wrong? You’re only seeing what you want to see.

For the fourth screenshot I was implying that she shouldn’t expect Bellamy to stay on the team for a long time considering she’s busy with school. It’s self explanatory.

For that last screenshot, it’s obviously not me pushing her around. It’s me explaining something.

To conclude this, these are weak screenshots. Not only that it proves that Lost took screenshots of stuff and cropped a lot of things out to use them to potentially get people fired. It’s no wonder Chlomaki was fired and replaced so quickly thereafter, she probably manipulated photos along with the entire situation.

If you’re going to share screenshots, share the ENTIRE THING. It just proves you’re guilty and hiding something, that or whoever gave you the screenshots is trying to hide anything and everything innocent and taking it out of context to manipulate you and use you as a gun against their own community.
 

Berk

CEO & Developer
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Admin
Lua Crew
it seems like he involved himself, but the point is that if he was affecting my decisions or making them for me. no. he was not and never actually did. you still used several false screenshots as well and took them out of context. funny how in some of those screenshots with the actual context provided, i actually didn't even respond to his comment and mostly went on my way. so, after my reasoning, are you still going to claim that he's been involved in decisions? he was hardly even there, and i can provide screenshot of that shit, too. just ask away for the evidence.
and anyways, it should be well-known that admins, including ones who are ex with good experience, help guide the newbies. how else would we damn learn? keep in mind that i didn't really have any i could rely on, as well. kaanade was often busy, and most of the other admins disliked me because of some bullshit that happened in the past.
so, will you still claim that? will you still claim that i was working with him, even though i clearly was not? will you still continue to provide screenshots that don't actually show the whole context?

e; i'm going to provide screenshots with the entire context.
Okay, I'm assuming he is not involved in these decisions, (sorry but I don't trust it, I only assume) why did you host Faolan in EN management server? Why did you let him to talk about decisions, things?

I am done.

That’s the wrong Blue LOL. And B @Bellamy already knows that she constantly quit and re-joined the team and she was very understanding before that it’s not a managers favourite thing to put up with, so the fact that you’re tagging them like that as if they will hate me for that is so immature. I have no ill will against Bell, so just because I said that, it wasn’t a personal attack on her.
And no, I NEVER made decisions for Chlomaki. Her managing style is different and I don’t need her copying me and I didn’t ask her to copy everything I do; she just goes with the system.

For the first screenshot, I was explaining to them something about a thread on the forum that I MADE. Therefore I have the right to choose what the topic is about and what isn’t following the thread rules and what is following the thread rules.

In the second screenshot, how does that prove I was controlling Chlomaki and telling her what to do? Someone was ranting to me about that mod handling EN reports without asking and all I said was that he’s “fucking annoying”.

In the third screenshot, she wanted to fire someone but if she fired them, she wouldn’t have mods. I gave her a simple tip so you need to calm down. She didn’t have to follow my advice if she didn’t want to, I wouldn’t hate her for it. I was simply there to guide her if she needed it and Kaanade was there to help too.

In the fourth screenshot, again, how is that me telling her what to do and make decisions for her? She asked me how she would announce it, why is that cropped out of the screenshot, huh? To make it look wrong? You’re only seeing what you want to see.

For the fourth screenshot I was implying that she shouldn’t expect Bellamy to stay on the team for a long time considering she’s busy with school. It’s self explanatory.

For that last screenshot, it’s obviously not me pushing her around. It’s me explaining something.

To conclude this, these are weak screenshots. Not only that it proves that Lost took screenshots of stuff and cropped a lot of things out to use them to potentially get people fired. It’s no wonder Chlomaki was fired and replaced so quickly thereafter, she probably manipulated photos along with the entire situation.

If you’re going to share screenshots, share the ENTIRE THING. It just proves you’re guilty and hiding something, that or whoever gave you the screenshots is trying to hide anything and everything innocent and taking it out of context to manipulate you and use you as a gun against their own community.
Sorry but I didn't want you to explain them, I was talking to Chlo. It was her mistake and you've evaluated it.
 

Cryaotic

¡Ándale! ¡Ándale!
Okay, I'm assuming he is not involved in these decisions, (sorry but I don't trust it, I only assume) why did you host Faolan in EN management server? Why did you let him to talk about decisions, things?

I am done.
This was already addressed before, you’re clearly not reading everything and you’re just here because someone told you to help defend their side. Why don’t you scroll up and read everyones responses in this thread instead of asking questions that were already answered?
 

+wrath

Retired EN Community Manager
I've refrained from posting here before, I wanted to wait. I've been completely aware of this thread since it has been made, but regardless I have one question. Faolan, why couldn't you guide Chlomaki and help her make a new server? I wont respond to anything irrelevant, just want one question answered.
 

Cryaotic

¡Ándale! ¡Ándale!
Okay, I'm assuming he is not involved in these decisions, (sorry but I don't trust it, I only assume) why did you host Faolan in EN management server? Why did you let him to talk about decisions, things?

I am done.



Sorry but I didn't want you to explain them, I was talking to Chlo. It was her mistake and you've evaluated it.
I didn’t say you wanted me to explain them, here you are again jumping to conclusions 🤷🏻‍♂️ Remember the time I confronted Lost and you DM’ed me and said I was making her “sad” and you said I wasn’t a “good guy” and you said you think I’m a bad person now? That was you talking down to me like a 6 year old like I’m some dumb animal or something, you were trying to guilt trip me. Absolutely ridiculous, how am I supposed to trust everything you say and take you seriously?

I've refrained from posting here before, I wanted to wait. I've been completely aware of this thread since it has been made, but regardless I have one question. Faolan, why couldn't you guide Chlomaki and help her make a new server? I wont respond to anything irrelevant, just want one question answered.
Didn’t cross my mind at the time. If she wanted to, she could’ve asked me without a problem and I honestly wouldn’t care.
 
So I’m just gonna say something real quick. I was on staff last year (2018) and then I left, etc. Miceforce was really active in 2018. I came back to miceforce January of this year and was SHOCKED. A lot of stuff had changed and there were some staff changes that were just a bit, well, iffy. To say the least, Miceforce is so not active anymore, and of people that are active, a high percentage are trolls. people who try to say miceforce is active should do some research. I’m not gonna say a lot but there’s a hell lot of manipulation going on within staff teams, I’ve literally seen it. At the end of the day, this is a mouse game, it shouldn’t be that hard for staff to be responsible.
 
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