[EN Staff Suggestion] Firing Staff Only with Evidence

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Dude, I never got shown ANY evidence of my fire. The only reason I got fired Is because I was friends with some ex staff members, I barely even talked to them though. So that’s not valid evidence without the managers actually having PICTURE proof of me leaking stuff. Which I again, never did.
I can confirm this considering I also made the decision to fire them with no evidence. We thought you were leaning cause of how long you’ve been around the staff team + being close with ex staff which was unacceptable of me to even think like that.
 
Dude, I never got shown ANY evidence of my fire. The only reason I got fired Is because I was friends with some ex staff members, I barely even talked to them though. So that’s not valid evidence without the managers actually having PICTURE proof of me leaking stuff. Which I again, never did.
Same here, all I got was a sad excuse for a fire
 
Regardless of my retire, if I was still managing EN I would have brought this idea up with Lostwithdark. I’ve just fairly recently been thinking hard about it, otherwise I would have weeks ago.
 

+wrath

Retired EN Community Manager
Dude, I never got shown ANY evidence of my fire. The only reason I got fired was because I was friends with some ex staff members, I barely even talked to them though. So that’s not valid evidence without the managers actually having PICTURE proof of me leaking stuff. Which I again, never did.
This was mainly the reason for the other 5's firings. I'll try to speak for them, because I did get a little insight but you'd have to ask them directly for more information.

Some staff members were hired, previously a month/week before their firing(s). Most of them, maybe even all were given/had no reasoning. It was absolutely ridiculous, and it did shake majority of the community up. This causing people to go 'protesting' in the new EN Miceforce Discord server. The fact that you calmly just disagreed, and said "you shouldn't have made this post" about an actual serious issue that's been going on... Is sorta disappointing, and unsettling.
 

Chlomaki

Former EN Community Manager
frankly, this is all so pathetic and people are actually and were rioting. rioting.
let's begin with my experience as a manager and how things went downhill after my fire. the explanation for my fire will be provided, because i was very pissed off to find out about it, especially since it was bullshit on top of bullshit. i have four dogs and even those fires were far more disgusting than the large pieces of shits they like to take in the backyard. even roaches would rather come crawling after this miceforce bullshit.

i became a manager. yes. good so far. then i had school, and on top of that i was losing interest in the game. i was considering retirement and i notified kaanade, but she recommended some options to me and decided to help me out. nice. also, i still appreciate her for that, she tried her best. things were slow, but i was trying my best to be cautious with hires and fires. being in a rush isn't always a positive, as you can see with how the current team and management is right now for EN. i was still active. i never actually made many mistakes, at least not as much as the current management has. during my management, Lostwithdark became a co-admin and was literally micromanaging me. she was doing things that she should not be doing. she was trying to take control. i could not do anything about it at the time due to preparing for vacation.
i told kaanade to notify the other admins i'd be gone for a week due to family vacation. aight. the second last day of my vacation comes. i go online. i see people pming me, thinking i retired or wishing me luck. i think to myself "looks like instead of coal, i got nonsensical bullshit this christmas." so it takes a couple of days for me to find out what happened. i was told i was fired for inactivity. wtf? then skip to a week later. that was just an excuse for my fire, as it turns out. instead, the higher-ups planned to fire me to hire Sythers and Lostwithdark instead. two people who have no actual experience with being a co-admin (or at least for the suggested amount of time of being one) or with managing. okay. cool. was favoritism involved? most likely. you've got berk and lost dating each other and berk defending her to the rice fields and back. neat.

then i find out that aevett and icey00008 were fired unfairly. aevett was provided no evidence, as far as i know. icey00008 was framed and it was clearly explained that she was. nothing was done about it. both were ip banned for the stupidest and most minor shit. both ip banned for absolutely nothing. okay. nice. this is taking a more twisted route than Corpse Party.

days later, i suddenly get bombarded with pms. people freaking out and panicking. what do i find out? about 6 people were fired for absolutely NO reason. actually, scratch that. there was a reason. an irrational one. people were pissed. i was pissed. it went on for a couple of days and people still pestered me about it. people tried taking a stand and messaging sevenops. unfortunately, seven has a history of being quite stubborn. thanks, sevenops.

anyways, it took me awhile to get aevett and icey00008 unbanned. it took me way too fucking long than what was necessary. i persisted until their bans would get lifted. i was not going to let that shit slide. i'm thankful that Lost finally unlocked their accounts. however, i do not have any dislike towards her, but i am greatly disappointed in her and what the EN staff team has become. people are highly uncomfortable and pissed off with the en staff team.

Soulzone @Soulzone also, i completely disagree with you. you cannot fire someone without an actual valid reason or evidence. that's just unfair firing and abuse of power. you should know that. it's ridiculous that people. no. PAST staff members, including ex managers, have to make a thread to get things across and explain everything. to suggest for a rule to be made. how utterly ridiculous. my disappointment is immeasurable and my miceforce experience has been ruined.
 
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+wrath

Retired EN Community Manager
frankly, this is all so pathetic and people are actually and were rioting. rioting.
let's begin with my experience as a manager and how things went downhill after my fire. the explanation for my fire will be provided, because i was very pissed off to find out about it, especially since it was bullshit on top of bullshit. i have four dogs and even those fires were far more disgusting than the large pieces of shits they like to take in the backyard. even roaches would rather come crawling after this miceforce bullshit.

i became a manager. yes. good so far. then i had school, and on top of that i was losing interest in the game. i was considering retirement and i notified kaanade, but she recommended some options to me and decided to help me out. nice. also, i still appreciate her for that, she tried her best. things were slow, but i was trying my best to be cautious with hires and fires. being in a rush isn't always a positive, as you can see with how the current team and management is right now for EN. i was still active. i never actually made many mistakes, at least not as much as the current management has. during my management, Lostwithdark became a co-admin and was literally micromanaging me. she was doing things that she should not be doing. she was trying to take control. i could not do anything about it at the time due to preparing for vacation.
i told kaanade to notify the other admins i'd be gone for a week due to family vacation. aight. the second last day of my vacation comes. i go online. i see people pming me, thinking i retired or wishing me luck. i think to myself "looks like instead of coal, i got nonsensical bullshit this christmas." so it takes a couple of days for me to find out what happened. i was told i was fired for inactivity. wtf? then skip to a week later. that was just an excuse for my fire, as it turns out. instead, the higher-ups planned to fire me to hire Sythers and Lostwithdark instead. two people who have no actual experience with being a co-admin (or at least for the suggested amount of time of being one) or with managing. okay. cool. was favoritism involved? most likely. you've got berk and lost dating each other and berk defending to the rice fields and back. neat.

then i find out that aevett and icey00008 were fired unfairly. aevett was provided no evidence, as far as i know. icey00008 was framed and it was clearly explained that she was. nothing was done about it. both were ip banned for the stupidest and most minor shit. both ip banned for absolutely nothing. okay. nice. this is taking a more twisted route than Corpse Party.

days later, i suddenly get bombarded with pms. people freaking out and panicking. what do i find out? about 6 people were fired for absolutely NO reason. actually, scratch that. there was a reason. an irrational one. people were pissed. i was pissed. it went on for a couple of days and people still pestered me about it. people tried taking a stand and messaging sevenops. unfortunately, seven has a history of being quite stubborn. thanks, sevenops.

anyways, it took me awhile to get aevett and icey00008 unbanned. it took me way too fucking long than what was necessary. i persisted until their bans would get lifted. i was not going to let that shit slide. i'm thankful that Lost finally unlocked their accounts. however, i do not have any dislike towards her, but i am greatly disappointed in her and what the EN staff team has become. people are highly uncomfortable and pissed off with the en staff team.

Soulzone @Soulzone also, i completely disagree with you. you cannot fire someone without an actual valid reason or evidence. that's just unfair firing and abuse of power. you should know that. it's ridiculous that people. no. PAST staff members, including ex managers, have to make a thread to get things across and explain everything. to suggest for a rule to be made. how utterly ridiculous. my disappointment is immeasurable and my miceforce experience has been ruined.

Thank you for taking the time to type this all out, truly appreciated.

Edit: I laughed 10 times
 

Kumoh

EN Sentinel, MapCrew Dir. FunCorp & Fashion Squad
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frankly, this is all so pathetic and people are actually and were rioting. rioting.
let's begin with my experience as a manager and how things went downhill after my fire. the explanation for my fire will be provided, because i was very pissed off to find out about it, especially since it was bullshit on top of bullshit. i have four dogs and even those fires were far more disgusting than the large pieces of shits they like to take in the backyard. even roaches would rather come crawling after this miceforce bullshit.

i became a manager. yes. good so far. then i had school, and on top of that i was losing interest in the game. i was considering retirement and i notified kaanade, but she recommended some options to me and decided to help me out. nice. also, i still appreciate her for that, she tried her best. things were slow, but i was trying my best to be cautious with hires and fires. being in a rush isn't always a positive, as you can see with how the current team and management is right now for EN. i was still active. i never actually made many mistakes, at least not as much as the current management has. during my management, Lostwithdark became a co-admin and was literally micromanaging me. she was doing things that she should not be doing. she was trying to take control. i could not do anything about it at the time due to preparing for vacation.
i told kaanade to notify the other admins i'd be gone for a week due to family vacation. aight. the second last day of my vacation comes. i go online. i see people pming me, thinking i retired or wishing me luck. i think to myself "looks like instead of coal, i got nonsensical bullshit this christmas." so it takes a couple of days for me to find out what happened. i was told i was fired for inactivity. wtf? then skip to a week later. that was just an excuse for my fire, as it turns out. instead, the higher-ups planned to fire me to hire Sythers and Lostwithdark instead. two people who have no actual experience with being a co-admin (or at least for the suggested amount of time of being one) or with managing. okay. cool. was favoritism involved? most likely. you've got berk and lost dating each other and berk defending her to the rice fields and back. neat.

then i find out that aevett and icey00008 were fired unfairly. aevett was provided no evidence, as far as i know. icey00008 was framed and it was clearly explained that she was. nothing was done about it. both were ip banned for the stupidest and most minor shit. both ip banned for absolutely nothing. okay. nice. this is taking a more twisted route than Corpse Party.

days later, i suddenly get bombarded with pms. people freaking out and panicking. what do i find out? about 6 people were fired for absolutely NO reason. actually, scratch that. there was a reason. an irrational one. people were pissed. i was pissed. it went on for a couple of days and people still pestered me about it. people tried taking a stand and messaging sevenops. unfortunately, seven has a history of being quite stubborn. thanks, sevenops.

anyways, it took me awhile to get aevett and icey00008 unbanned. it took me way too fucking long than what was necessary. i persisted until their bans would get lifted. i was not going to let that shit slide. i'm thankful that Lost finally unlocked their accounts. however, i do not have any dislike towards her, but i am greatly disappointed in her and what the EN staff team has become. people are highly uncomfortable and pissed off with the en staff team.

Soulzone @Soulzone also, i completely disagree with you. you cannot fire someone without an actual valid reason or evidence. that's just unfair firing and abuse of power. you should know that. it's ridiculous that people. no. PAST staff members, including ex managers, have to make a thread to get things across and explain everything. to suggest for a rule to be made. how utterly ridiculous. my disappointment is immeasurable and my miceforce experience has been ruined.
Finally COMMON SENSE
 
/support but what is evidence to one is nothing to the other
and i think if you havent been fired you would never apologize but sorry if im wrong
 

Glow

Pingless
/support but what is evidence to one is nothing to the other
and i think if you havent been fired you would never apologize but sorry if im wrong
The 6 people who were fired were never given evidence besides statements like "because you're untrustworthy"
Nobody in their right mind thinks that's valid evidence.
Also, Sythers wasn't fired.
 

Tikoi

Well-Known Mouse
I think what everyone is talking about is that if they are getting fired, they atleast want some good reasons or else they might feel they were fired for no reason at all, like I personally dont see how half the staff were just fired for something like "Exposed personal information"
this used to not be an issue at all, I feel like everyday I see a new person that got fired and I think "But yesterday they were all happy and joyful"
I think it's just really breaking the EN staff community, we soon will have no staff if this becomes a bigger issue than it is. /support
 
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The 6 people who were fired were never given evidence besides statements like "because you're untrustworthy"
Nobody in their right mind thinks that's valid evidence.
Also, Sythers wasn't fired.
okay they left, it seems i misunderstood something im sorry
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this really could be an evidence, or do you mean staff have evidence which they neither do believe in? Then they must know they are somewhat absurd sorry for my english
and dont take me wrong i support this, i just stated something what is unlikely to happen
 

Lostwithdark

Honored EN Community Manager and Game Manager
Might I just step into this conversation to post a small part of the conversation that went into deciding on 6 staff being removed from the team.
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Berk01/08/2019
I really thinking about Inval's method
cleaning staff..
Lostwithdark01/08/2019
Then we might have the reputation of Prisms
Liv01/08/2019
Does it matter tho
Berk01/08/2019
Lol not fully
Liv01/08/2019
It's not their team lol
Rance-sama01/08/2019
Nobody cares it's our team not theirs
We're not perfect
Liv01/08/2019
You're worried about our reputation versus what's actually going down
Reality
I think Inval's idea is good
[Conversation pulled to show what actually did happen]
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Why you are suddenly saying that these people who were fired was all my idea, I don't know. And when this occurred, I was not the only admin, Sythers was too. Having what proof we did was not solely my idea, nor decision. We fired to minimize and stop the leaking at the time.
Your first example was,
1. Riots in Force Social over the fires since they WERE unfair.
Those riots did not happen from only decisions, or even Sythers' for that matter.

Another example that you showed was,
2. Anger from both players and now fired staff members.
Apart from the 6 who were fired, the only other people from the timeframe then to now was, Ken_ley and Levinst. Here is something that I had found that you said about Ken in order to get her fired,
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And with Levinst, there was information regarding why she was fired. Some of which was regarding her also being apart of why Ken_ley was fired and that she had made complaints for Sythers whenever asked. I will not personally disclose the screenshots of information regarding her firing here.

Thirdly,
3. Fired staff members were not given a reason to their fire other than "untrustworthy"
I was not the only one apart of responding to DMs during this time period. And apart from that, there have been times where Sythers has wanted to fire people without any form of proof. Two of which include +wrath @Icey00008 & Maws @Naraku. She stated in both instances that we should have them fired for little to no proof, even though Icey's was later found to be false.

Fourthly,
4. Little to no questions were answered by current Administration over the fires
Many questions + concerns were answered over the fires. Just because I am not answering them publicly, does not mean that I am not privately in DMs.

Lastly,
Lostwithdark PUBLICLY deemed 6 trustworthy staff members "untrustworthy"
I did indeed state those who were fired for the reason "untrustworthy" in ENs Force Social. The reason being for this, is people wanted to know what was going on/why. "Untrustworthy" was the agreed upon reason by all four of the people who worked on this at the time.
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All of your reasons for this thread, besides Levinst, fall from the roots of what happened regarding 6 staff members and Icey. Might I also throw in that Sythers is attempting to have me fired, for the second time, for a false reason and false claims? Proof of that occurrence is here (her last name is blocked out for privacy):
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Suggestion of unfair firing + evidence being provided has and will be done. Therefore, suggestion is approved and the thread is closed
 

Soulzone

Developer
Staff Member
Admin
Lua Crew
Sorry for misunderstanding.
I never meant to say that they can fire someone without a proof. That's not what we do. I just said that they can fire someone without showing any proof/reason.
We, ADMINS, already know these fire reasons, I'm sorry if your community manager doesn't give you any proof but "being untrustworthy". (im also not so sure about this)

Leaking staff info is our most important rule that everyone must follow.
 
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